Ses Want Frequency Of Eutelsat

[M60]

interesting they use Astra 4A and a MCPC transponder.

28.5 was - besides 23.5 - the former position of the Kopernikus satellites of the federal post office here. That's why there are still so many feeds, however most have been migrated to 23.5 (Astra 3B ). Both position legally are still under that jurisdiction, that's why we have that odd legal battle ... Media Broadcast who hold the licence now just seem to like SES better than Eutelsat. Telekom (who owned the licence before them) were obviously friends with Eutelsat

Most DAB feeds are now between 12.639 and 12.662 GHz vertical on 23.5 E in SCPC mode (1488 symbolrate).

The UK D1 and BBC DAB feeds are carried on 12303V SR 25548 7/8 and have SID's of 60 and 70. The ETI is then downlinked and fed from professional IRD's ASI output directly in to each respective transmitter.

Interesting info regarding Kopernikus, obviously this is where the licensing originates together with the remaining feeds still there.

I also remember there was some talk about 2A helping out at 23.5E but I've been looking at some of the SES publicity leaflets they all talk about 2A staying at 28.2E until 2015.

2A can only do 11.70-12.50 though, so it would probably be more of a backup if moved to 23.5E. SES do like their backups.

I wasn't aware Astra 3A is being shifted over to the other side of the arc, that will take a bit of time I guess? This also means that Astra 3B will have no backup at this location? Maybe the plan is to relocate Astra 2A there sooner and shift the 28.2E 2A TP's, along with 1N's, over to 2E? 1N can obviously then go to 19.2E as planned and then 2C could return to 28.2E to act as backup as was in the future SES plan. 2D is still at 28E so one assumes this can provide cover if needed for the 'D' band TP's providing she's got a bit of life left in her yet!

 

[timo_w2s]

I wasn't aware Astra 3A is being shifted over to the other side of the arc, that will take a bit of time I guess? This also means that Astra 3B will have no backup at this location? Maybe the plan is to relocate Astra 2A there sooner and shift the 28.2E 2A TP's, along with 1N's, over to 2E? 1N can obviously then go to 19.2E as planned and then 2C could return to 28.2E to act as backup as was in the future SES plan. 2D is still at 28E so one assumes this can provide cover if needed for the 'D' band TP's providing she's got a bit of life left in her yet!

I keep forgetting 2C is supposed to come back to 28E too. That satellite can over cover the lower half of 2A's band (band 'E' and a few transponders in band 'F'). It can also do bands 'C' and 'D' but as it has no UK spot it would have limited use there except in a real emergency.

 

[M60]

I keep forgetting 2C is supposed to come back to 28E too. That satellite can over cover the lower half of 2A's band (band 'E' and a few transponders in band 'F'). It can also do bands 'C' and 'D' but as it has no UK spot it would have limited use there except in a real emergency.

Does 2C have 16 TP's or more? Will be interesting to see what SES do with 2A if they plan on relocating 3A sooner rather than later.

 

[timo_w2s]

Does 2C have 16 TP's or more? Will be interesting to see what SES do with 2A if they plan on relocating 3A sooner rather than later.

It's got 28 according to SES's website.

It's interesting how the majority of the transponders still on 2A could transfer to 2C if needed. Most of those on the current 1N PE1 beam are out of the range of 2C. But I think 2E has a large number of transponders that could take over 1N and 2A so that seems more likely to me.

 

[solly]

2a receiver with 1.8m over east Europe and Mideast
if will be change 1n
will lost signal here

 

[solly]

timo
astra 1n use 52 tp include spot beam and pan eurupe beam
new astra will be 60 ku band spot and pan Europe beam use it
I think it can take 2a also or same tp from 2f also

 

[timo_w2s]

timo
astra 1n use 52 tp include spot beam and pan eurupe beam
new astra will be 60 ku band spot and pan Europe beam use it
I think it can take 2a also or same tp from 2f also

Yes, I agree, this is my prediction where the majority of the transponders will be used once 2E comes online (before 2G launched):

Band D (10.70-10.95) - 2E
Band C (10.95-11.20) - 2F
Band A (11.20-11.45) - 28A (or 28B?)
Band B (11.45-11.70) - 2F
Band E (11.70-12.10) - 2E
Band F (12.10-12.50) - 2E
Band G (12.50-12.75) - 2F

 

[M60]

Yes, I agree, this is my prediction where the majority of the transponders will be used once 2E comes online (before 2G launched):

Band D (10.70-10.95) - 2E
Band C (10.95-11.20) - 2F
Band A (11.20-11.45) - 28A (or 28B?)
Band B (11.45-11.70) - 2F
Band E (11.70-12.10) - 2E
Band F (12.10-12.50) - 2E
Band G (12.50-12.75) - 2F

I think your spot-on there, I'd hazard a guess for something identical to that. Certainly the existing 1N band E transponders (ex 2 will go to 2E so I don't see why they don't include the current 2A ones too. It's going to be an interesting couple of Months with all the E28A to 2F shuffles and when 2E comes online.

If they want 2E live before the Christmas freeze they'll have to sort a mass migration plan for the end of November that can happen over a week to 10 days as soon as she's ready to go at 28.2E.

 

[timo_w2s]

Incidentally, I think 2E is the only satellite capable of doing the full 11.70-12.50 range in one go as it can do 40 33MHz transponders. 2F can only do 28 33MHz transponders. 2G only has 24 33MHz transponders.

 

[Cala d'or]

There is some info on www.joinfreesat.co.uk relating to which channels will be having new frequencies. It is starting on 02/10/2013 and finishes on 10/10/2013.
Hope this helps.

 

[Analoguesat]

2D is still at 28E so one assumes this can provide cover if needed for the 'D' band TP's providing she's got a bit of life left in her yet!

2D is about too far gone - shes 1.3 degrees inclined now.

She is out the game except for feeds.

 

[C0re]

Isn't it inclined to save fuel in case of an emergency? Or am I saying something really stupid ;-)

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[Analoguesat]

All satellites are perturbed off their notional orbital slot by gravitational forces. The onboard thrusters are used to gently push the satellite back to where it is supposed to be.

Running inclined happens when the onboard fuel runs low. The operator can eke another 3-5 years out of the bird by stopping the north - south station keeping. The satellite then starts drifting in an elongated and often mis-shaped figure eight

Once the inclination passes about 1.5 degrees-ish the bird is no longer any use for dth broadcasting as the signals will vary during the day

 

[Analoguesat]

Eut frequency update:

11469H off
11488V powered but no channels
11508H off
11527V powered & carrying 10 services
11546H powered & carrying 11 services - added later as I missed it!
11604V off
11623H powered & carrying 13 services
11662H powered & carrying 13 services
11681V powered & carrying 14 services
12523H off
12523V powered & carrying 30 services
12560H powered & carrying 6 services
12560V powered & carrying 19 services
12607H powered & carrying 16 services
12607V powered & carrying 31 services
12643H powered & carrying 11 services
12643V powered but no channels

The remaining tp's still on should all close down tonight.

 

[solly]

it interesting to know how the power of astra 2f over freuqncy range eutelsat

 

[Analoguesat]

it interesting to know how the power of astra 2f over freuqncy range eutelsat

2F is 5-10% higher than 28A on my Dreambox channel info meters over the last year and it seems to be replicated on the new "2c band" frequencies.

Remember I was the first on this thread to state that one of the new freqs was 2F as it was the same power as the Channel5 tp.

 

[solly]

it sound better from eurobird super beam but maybe it take low band pan Europe beam high bean spot beam or all 2f spot beam it alternavie

 

[timo_w2s]

Most transponders are still on air, must be less than an hour to go now...

 

[Analoguesat]

I shall stay up till just after 11 and have a quick hop up the frequencies

 

[Analoguesat]

11488V has gone since my last check 3 hours ago