Advice Needed missing frequencies 30W

[brother9]

 

[Tururu]

The HD tuner is Redline TS40Plus. Examined all freq found and missing (on Hispasat): some are DVB-S2, but 10917V7500 has 99% quality, so S2 is not the problem. If the dish picks up 99% strength on some freq. should I not get ALL freq of that satellite? Why not?....

No, each TP / frequency has the power it pays to emit, a photo of some tp's are from Astra to 28'2ºE for the example of Hispasat, perfect.
No, cada TP/frecuencia tiene la potencia que paga por emitir, una foto de unos tp's son de Astra a 28'2ºE para el ejemplo de Hispasat, perfecto.

11022H_11052Ha.jpg

 

[brother9]

Image too big, then too small......
Dish is LOW on roof because of storms. No joke!

 

[brother9]

TRIAX offset = 26°Hispasat elevation = 22°, so dish is pointing DOWN by 4° !

 

[RimaNTSS]

I did not mean size of the image but the placement of the LNB and it's pointing direction. For me seems that it is installed completely wrong.

 

[Tururu]

N.B. (see picture) LNB on tripod pointing to top right of dish, also giving freq 10730, 12303, 12380, now NOT found after adjustment dish.

The first thing would be to adjust that LNB maximum sf100 x0 to the 5 of entrance, according to photo this at 6 in an imaginary clock, seeing the antenna of front. is what it looks like when you see the photos.
Surely then you can better tune the channels / tp's.
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Lo primero seria ajustar ese LNB maximum sf100 x0 a las 5 de entrada, segun foto esta a las 6 en un reloj imaginario, viendo la antena de frente. es lo que parece al ver las fotos.
Seguramente luego puedas sintonizar mejor los canales/tp's.

 

[Tururu]

Esto es una broma verdad.?
This is a joke, right?

 

[Tururu]

This works better, safe
Parabolica with can, angle of the signal in the offset antenna.
You try to give a target of 8 meters in diameter that is at 35000KM on average, if you do not take it seriously, do not expect to hit the target with an error of 5 millimeters..
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Esta funciona mejor, seguro
Parabolica con lata, angulo de la señal en la antena offset.
Intentas dar a una diana de 8 metros de diametro que esta a 35000KM de media, si no te lo tomas en serio, no esperes dar a la diana con un error de 5 milimetros..

 

[RimaNTSS]

Hey Bro, if you have problems with the LNB-holder for your antenna, you can make something like that . Or, if you wish, I can provide one for you.

 

[Analoguesat]

Thats the strangest set up lnb Ive ever seen!

Its amazing you are getting anything off that lnb - as the others have said it should be pointing at the middle of the dish not over the top of the dish! Drop the elevation of it down about 20 degrees & I guarantee it will work MUCH better.

 

[brother9]

Please read my post with the picture CAREFULLY: picture of dish-cum-LNB before adjusting all. But I was as surprised as you are to find even 10730H27500 when pointing separate LNB to top right corner!! Now LNB is in holder provided, and tuner found 345 stations. I watched Yo Soy del Sur on Canal Sur at 99% quality. But freq mentioned in 1st post are missing. Should I not get Castilla La Mancha on 11491V7522 on a 1.10m dish EVEN when emitted signal is weaker?

 

[Mickha]

If you want the Spanish channels you would probably be better of with Astra 1, 19.2E.

https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Movistar--19E.html

I'm surprised you found 345 channels, on 30W, especially given the number of transponders you can't scan in.
How did you align your dish?
Can you please check the channels, you have scanned in, and transponder frequencies, against the lyngsat listing:

https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-4-30W-5.html

 

[brother9]

If you want the Spanish channels you would probably be better of with Astra 1, 19.2E.

https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Movistar--19E.html

I'm surprised you found 345 channels, on 30W, especially given the number of transponders you can't scan in.
How did you align your dish?
Can you please check the channels, you have scanned in, and transponder frequencies, against the lyngsat listing:

https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-4-30W-5.html

Aimed dish according to Dishpointer, which shows Hispasat to be parallel to rim of flat roof. Offset = 26° and elev. of sat. = 22°, so dish looks DOWN 4° from vertical! Freq. from lyngsat in tuner's list; LOOSE LNB directed at dish gave a signal; blind scan confirmed frequencies, yielding 345 stations, most scrambled.
The odd angle of LNB is no longer valid: LNB now fitted in holder supplied by TRIAX, and dish realigned (no photo, because it is like any other dish/LNB/arm). But some freq. are NOW without signal or NEVER yielded a signal (see list in 1st post). I will try to fine-tune position of dish when weather permits.

 

[RimaNTSS]

LNB now fitted in holder supplied by TRIAX, and dish realigned

When you realigned the dish, how much did you change elevation? I mean, if without original TRIAX LNB-holder antenna was leaning backwards 4* , what is leaning of it right now?

 

[Mickha]

Did you skew, rotate, the LNB, for 30W?
Pictures, with the LNB fitted, would help identify if you have gotten the skew correct.
Can you please post a few channel details, transponder, frequency, polarity, S/R, and signal qaulity, which might help identify the problem.

 

[brother9]

When you realigned the dish, how much did you change elevation? I mean, if without original TRIAX LNB-holder antenna was leaning backwards 4* , what is leaning of it right now?

FORWARD!! Leaning forward by 4°: 22° (elev. Hispasat) - 26° (offset) = -4°.
I cannot answer question about difference between before and after fitting TRIAX LNB because there is no fine-scale in single degrees to read on the dish. I could take a photo now and try to see the minimal changes, but they would be minimal.

 

[RimaNTSS]

Yes, forward is right. I thought maybe you are using digital inclinometer, that would allow to check very precisely whether LNB is properly located.

 

[brother9]

Did you skew, rotate, the LNB, for 30W?
Pictures, with the LNB fitted, would help identify if you have gotten the skew correct.
Can you please post a few channel details, transponder, frequency, polarity, S/R, and signal qaulity, which might help identify the problem.

Yes, skew 23.7° clockwise, improved quality a bit, but not much.
You are asking for all freq of lyngsat list to be repeated?? All my freq. are according to that list with right H/V, S/R, etc. Quality also depends on weather: rain at the moment. I will compile a list later.

 

[Mickha]

We also need the quality readings when it's raining.
If you are getting rain fade, on a 1.1M dish, the dish needs fine tuning.
It helps a lot if you post channel details, from each transponder, including signal quality readings, otherwise we're just guessing.

 

[brother9]

“Redline” HD tuner does NOT recognize UHTV, and lists it under Radios. Tuner cannot scan radio-only freq. successfully. 99%=100% (only 2 digits).
Symbol rates <1000 cannot be entered, so freq. with those omitted from list.
“0% or 52-60%” means that signal qualityvaries 52-60%, but hits 0% briefly”.

All frequencies and quality of signals listed as requested:
10730H27500 DVB-S2 NOW 0%, but signal with oddly directed LNB!
10770H30000 DVB-S2 0% NEVER a signal
10890V27500 DVB-S 74%
10917V7500 DVB-S2 99%
11262H30000 DVB-S2 99% UHTV
11302H30000 99% radio-only
11382H30000 99% radio-only
11422V5000 DVB-S NOW 0%, but signal with oddly directed LNB!
11491V7522 DVB-S2 0% NEVER a signal 3 FTA stations
11497H7884 DVB-S2 0% NEVER a signal 3 FTA stations (from kingofsat)
11503H1667 DVB-S2 0% or 52-60%
11510V10000 0% radio-only
11615H29000 0% radio-only
11651.4V1010 0% radio-only
11731V27500 DVB-S 99%
11771V27500 DVB-S 99%
11811V27500 DVB-S 99%
11851V27500 DVB-S 99%
11891V30000 DVB-S 99%
11931V27500 DVB-S 99%
12092V27500 DVB-S 99%
12130V27500 DVB-S2 99%
12168H27500 DVB-S2 99%
12207H27500 DVB-S2 0% or 71-99%
12226V27500 DVB-S 0% NEVER a signal
12246H27500 DVB-S2 67-79%
12284H27500 DVB-S2 45% UHTV
12303V27500 DVB-S NOW 0%, but signal with oddly directed LNB!
12322H27500 DVB-S 99%
12360H27500 DVB-S 99%
12380V27500 DVB-S NOW 0%, but signal with oddly directed LNB!
12398H27500 DVB-S2 66-77%
12437H27500 DVB-S2 63-71%
12456V30000 DVB-S NOW 0%, but signal with oddly directed LNB!
12476H27500 DVB-S2 0% or 84-99%
12518V1483 0% Radio only
12522V2060 99% NO stations
12593H2159 an occasional signal. VICAS TV was here some months ago on previous dish.
Yes, I know the dish needs the impossible fine-tuning..... Soon, when weather permits

QUOTE="Mickha, post: 1026760, member: 187442"]We also need the quality readings when it's raining.
If you are getting rain fade, on a 1.1M dish, the dish needs fine tuning.
It helps a lot if you post channel details, from each transponder, including signal quality readings, otherwise we're just guessing.[/QUOTE]