TBS 6925 PCi Card with hardware blind scan in DVB-S2 and DVB-S

[Vipersan]

Some kind of a feed maybe, or a test transmission? No way to test it from here, I can't see 55W and don't have a C-band setup...

The fact that it came and went so quickly would inducate a link/feed ...
I'm in work at the moment ...so no way I can search again ..
But I can confirm that it wasn't there 10 minutes later ..when I scanned again with EBS..
rgds
VS

 

[satesco]

Hi Vipersan,

I am no upset that you see the same problem differently,because I am aware of that situation.I have six antennas, of which two I use with two positioners,one for ofset dish{1.1m},the other for Prima focus antenna{1.5 m},the last one I am using for C & Ku band.Also I have five receivers and three dvbs2 PC card.To manage all devices and antennas I use the positioners.Satellites are stored in the antenna positioners and I move them where I want without having to configure receivers as well as cards.For this reason I proposed positioners.
It is simple and without hassle solution whatever tools or softwares you use .Of course, for an antenna with multiple lnbs, it is necessary to have software which included diseqc 1.1.Because I have a toroidal antenna with 16 lnbs, I'm equally interested in the dvbs2 players which include this feature.

 

[strs65]

VS, if you had to choose between this PC card or a quality STB (probably Enigma 2) with fast hardware blind scan (under 5 minutes) which would you go for?

Somehow OT, which STBs perform a thorough blind scan under 5 minutes?

Btw, Technotrend's S2-1600 blindscan/crazyscan spectrum sweep is almost twice as fast as TBS 6925. But it doesn't support exotic modulations or very low SRs (it also has a little problem with the drivers which they cause a higher than normal cpu usage on Windows 7, maybe also on XP, didn't check it).

 

[Vipersan]

VS, if you had to choose between this PC card or a quality STB (probably Enigma 2) with fast hardware blind scan (under 5 minutes) which would you go for?

Thats a tricky one Huevos ...
..both have their merits ..
I love the reliability ..gain...and ease of use of my F15 ..
Yes the blindscan is a little slow ...but can be very thorough ...and picture quality is excellent..
The TBS card I see more as a work tool ...
Not as portable of course ...but the Crazy extras ...and ability to 'boldy go' etc etc ..where I haven't been before re higher data speeds ..+...16 and 32 psk ...gives the hobby a new lease of life..
Assuming theres more out there ..like the Fox feed capture earlier.
If only they sort out a compatible viewer which can operate my dish farm correctly ...I'd be made up .
Atm ku isn't even practical as the multiswitch selected port ..drops ..even when switching Hi / Lo bands ..
ie ..22kz tone activated.

So for the moment ..I'm 'playing with' ..not 'using' the TBS card ..
..and the F15 still holds the trump card ...due to lack of support for the 6925

rgds
VS

 

[Llew]

That 32psk feed you found VS is the first time I've seen even half an image resolved with the card. Great stuff.

 

[remlap]

Ordered just few minutes ago, excited now to get it back.

 

[starman345]

A first ..maybe ??

Did a scan of 55W cband with EBS ..
During the scan it uncovered a 32psk transponder 4162H ....

So I took note ..
Once completed I scanned the transponder list with dvbviewer ..and took a look at the 32psk channel ..
Yes it scanned in ..and was identified as service 1 ...
So obviously I had to see if it produced a picture ..
Well ..yes ...of sorts ..
Not fully locked but clearly identifiable as FOX network
Occasionally it locks to a full picture ..but it doesn't last ..
Here's the screen cap
rgds
VS

55.5w is my furthest east bird and I have scanned in that Fox news channel several times. I use CrazyScan->TSREADER->VLC and it does render a picture in VLC, just the same as you describe, broken up most of the time. Its there most times I look for it.

Now, back to this question that was lost in all the excitement:
Do you know if your Darkmotor has the 28 satellite position table built into it? Is there an online manual you could provide?

 

[Llew]

Ordered just few minutes ago, excited now to get it back.

I think you'll find it more than comes up to your expectations remlap, especially if you're interested in some of the more obscure feeds

 

[Vipersan]

Sorry Starman I don't have the manual ...but I would assume it has stored sat positions already ...plus of course its possible to overwrite some positions to insert 'custom' positions when using in diseqc mode..
I rarely use dseqc 1.2 on a usals motor ...prefering the calculation mode of diseqc 1.3 (usals)
It means you can send the moter to any point in the arc ..in anticipation of say logging in a newly launched bird ...wheras you actually have to know its there and broadcasting in order to move to the same postion using Diseqc 1.2
rgds
VS

proving tricky to find a detailed pdf on line ..
All I can find are specs :-

Features

•Metal Main Gear & Gearbox, Automatic Backlash
•Compatible with all DiSEqC 1.2 - 1.3 / USALS Receivers
•Drive Dish up to 1.4m at Very High Speed
•Quick Installation by only One Coaxial Cable
•Water Resistant Manual East / West Buttons for Easy Installation
•Two LED Indicators for Monitoring the Motor Operation
•DiSEqC 1.2 - 1.3 / USALS Go To X Functions Compatible
•Smart Software Achieves very High Positioning Resolution of 0.1 Degree
•Compact Mechanism and Patened ZERO BACKLASH Design
•Ultra Low Noise and Low Current Motor / Gear Box
Specification

•Protocol: DiSEqC 1.2 & Goto “X” 1.3
•Compatible Receiver: Receiver with DiSEqC 1.2 or Interface Box
•Antenna Size: 120 cm Max.
•Speed: 1.9 / sec (at 13V) ; 2.5 / sec (at 18V)
•Azimuth Angle: 80 East ~ 80 West ( 160° )
•Elevation Angle: 25~75
•Input Voltage: 13 / 18Vdc
•Output Voltage: 13 / 18Vdc
•Power Consumption: 50 mA (Standby) 200mA (Normal) 350mA (Max.)
•Satellite Positions: 60 positions

 

[starman345]

Ordered just few minutes ago, excited now to get it back.

I think you will be pleased

 

[starman345]

Sorry Starman I don't have the manual ...but I would assume it has stored sat positions already ...plus of course its possible to overwrite some positions to insert 'custom' positions when using in diseqc mode..
I rarely use dseqc 1.2 on a usals motor ...prefering the calculation mode of diseqc 1.3 (usals)
It means you can send the moter to any point in the arc ..in anticipation of say logging in a newly launched bird ...wheras you actually have to know its there and broadcasting in order to move to the same postion using Diseqc 1.2
rgds
VS

I understand, just trying to identify the motor type. I have several SG-2100 motors, some work with both STAB and SG-2100 DiSEqC sequences, some with only SG-2100 commands. Looking at online pictures of that motor it looks like an SG-2100, although it mentions a metal gear which is different. Sometimes SG-2100 motors will move correctly to the west but need a different DiSEqC command(than is supplied with some software) to move to the east. Have you tried it in both directions?

EDIT:
I see your edit now, thanks, I'm drifting from the 6925 topic, thanks for the info.

 

[Huevos]

which STBs perform a thorough blind scan under 5 minutes?

These days 5 to 10 minutes is becoming the norm, for example the Vu+ Uno takes about one and a half minutes per block (or less than one minute in C-band).

Also, how thorough it is needs to be balanced against use. If it is for feedhunting speed is more important than thorough. And anyway the easy way to make a blind scan more thorough is to increase the dish size so the receiver isn't trying to weed the signal from the noise floor.

The truth is I really fancied this card but this thread has put me off, especially the inability of the software to properly control the aerial system. And from what VS is saying it seems the computer would need to be dedicated to the card, with the need to delete other software that might already be loaded.

 

[Vipersan]

These days 5 to 10 minutes is becoming the norm, for example the Vu+ Uno takes about one and a half minutes per block (or less than one minute in C-band).

Also, how thorough it is needs to be balanced against use. If it is for feedhunting speed is more important than thorough. And anyway the easy way to make a blind scan more thorough is to increase the dish size so the receiver isn't trying to weed the signal from the noise floor.

The truth is I really fancied this card but this thread has put me off, especially the inability of the software to properly control the aerial system. And from what VS is saying it seems the computer would need to be dedicated to the card, with the need to delete other software that might already be loaded.

I totally understand Huevos ..the incompatibility issues with switches and motors is very frustrating ...but I'm not sorry I bought the card ...
Its a very useful addition ...and will eventually finds its place in the system more permanently..
Hopefully though support will improve ..and the compatibility issues resolved.
rgds
VS

 

[strs65]

These days 5 to 10 minutes is becoming the norm, for example the Vu+ Uno takes about one and a half minutes per block (or less than one minute in C-band).

Also, how thorough it is needs to be balanced against use. If it is for feedhunting speed is more important than thorough. And anyway the easy way to make a blind scan more thorough is to increase the dish size so the receiver isn't trying to weed the signal from the noise floor.

The truth is I really fancied this card but this thread has put me off, especially the inability of the software to properly control the aerial system. And from what VS is saying it seems the computer would need to be dedicated to the card, with the need to delete other software that might already be loaded.

The card is only two months (or less) in the market and so far some of the main DVB viewers (DVBViewer Pro, DVBDream, although the latter works fairly well with the card already, SmartDVB, to name a few) didn't have an update. So incompatibilities, bugs, not full support is to be expected. As far as it concerns the system itself, I guess it's up to the combination of hardware and software. When I bought the card some weeks ago I already had in my computer a S2-1600 and a Skystar S2. I installed the TBS 6925 and didn't really have any problem with the other two cards or other software in the pc. Later I uninstalled the Skystar S2, as I don't really need it now and there is little space in the pc box. I didn't had to reinstall the OS or anything else...

 

[remlap]

I think you will be pleased

Thanks hope so.

I think you'll find it more than comes up to your expectations remlap, especially if you're interested in some of the more obscure feeds

Thanks, and that and the obscure channels is my very reason for wanting this card

Reading VS mentioning he is "playing" with his TBS, I think that's how mine will be described as my Hauppy right now which is now my "play" card will be put to work as an actual card for watching television.

I guess play could be replaced with tinkering.

Previous to that my tinker card was the SkyStar 2, getting on but still working away in a media centre PC and streaming radio round my home network it's soon to be retired and the Hauppy take its place.

 

[Vipersan]

Its back ...so took the opportunity to grab a constellation image ..and a better more stable video image..
Pity I can't get the audio ..
I can only assume it needs a specific audio codec in the system ..
Any suggestions ?
rgds
VS

 

[strs65]

An AAC decoder probably, that's what the little icon on DVBViewer Pro implies...

 

[remlap]

FFDShow should handle it.

 

[starman345]

FFDShow should handle it.

FFDshow does indeed handle it but its the same as the video, , comes and goes. just get a word here and there

 

[Vipersan]

Thats the problem guys ..
The only AAC decoder installed in the system is Cyberlink Audio Decoder (PDVD8)

FFdshow was installed but is not showing an AAC selectable option in the AAC audio decoder dropdown ..

So looks like I need to find one ..
Thats why I'm asking for alternative suggestions.
rgds
VS