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[Topper]

You could always change the rules like the Eurovision song contest and allow only political voting

 

[Salty25]

Thought they already had, Ferrari seem to be under that impression at least

 

[Topper]

Thought they already had, Ferrari seem to be under that impression at least

How true ;)

 

[Norm]

18 100+ scores from Monaco, but as most of the top 5 have the majority of their teams made up from Brawn GP the game is effectively over unless BGP start having some serious problems.

TBH the rules need to be tweaked for next year so that folk cant have more than say 2 items from the same team

Normally, this is self regulating in that it isn't possible to have too many components from the top teams because of budget constraints. Brawn really have come from nowhere so this is an extraordinary situation this year. It is also a problem for F1 generally if a single team is so dominant.

Brawn have also been quite fortunate in that both their cars have finished all races. By that I mean that there have been no shunts, no engine problems or anything similar involving their cars. You wouldn't think that would last all season but whether it is now getting too late to affect our league, who knows? Certainly the leaders have had such a good start that it would be surprising if they got overtaken unless Brawn go really off the boil - like Toyota?

 

[Salty25]

I have just received, as all PFF1 players will have, an important email from Maverick, the head of PFF1. The email is as follows:

Hello!

Information about intended rule change 'Extraordinary adjustment of component costs' after race 7

The outstanding performance of the Brawn GP team in this Formula 1 season has lead to a huge false estimation of the PFF1 costs of their components. Because of that almost everyone has a team with only Brawn components and the race scores vary just because of different Qualifying tips.
In my opinion this situation ruins the complete game play. That's why I intend to execute following action after race 7:

Extraordinary adjustment of the Brawn GP component costs:


Current costs:
Jenson Button: 25 Mio.
Rubens Barrichello: 19 Mio.
Brawn Chassis: 19 Mio.
Brawn (Mercedes) Motor: 19 Mio.

After race 7
Jenson Button: 45 Mio. (+20 Mio.)
Rubens Barrichello: 39 Mio. (+20 Mio.)
Brawn Chassis: 39 Mio. (+20 Mio.)
Brawn (Mercedes) Motor: 39 Mio. (+20 Mio.)


This cost increase takes place without team budget adjustments.


Example Hernandez Racing Team
Current:
Team manager Ross Brawn: 12 Mio.
Driver 1 Rubens Barrichello: 19 Mio
Driver 2 Jenson Button: 25 Mio.
Driver 3 Pedro de la Rosa: 1 Mio.
Chassis Brawn: 19 Mio.
Engine Mercedes (Brawn): 19 Mio.
Tyres Bridgestone 2: 5 Mio.
Team value: 100 Mio.
Cash balance: 42 Mio.

Situation after extraordinary adjustment of the Brawn GP component costs (after race 7):
Team manager Ross Brawn: 12 Mio.
Driver 1 Rubens Barrichello: 39 Mio
Driver 2 Jenson Button: 45 Mio.
Driver 3 Pedro de la Rosa: 1 Mio.
Chassis Brawn: 39 Mio.
Engine Mercedes (Brawn): 39 Mio.
Tyres Bridgestone 2: 5 Mio.
Team value: 180 Mio.
Cash balance: -38 Mio. (MINUS!!!)


The team value (total) remains unchanged. The component costs are increased. This leads to a negative cash balance. In order to accomplish a successful team change the player has to reduce the team value (cash balance must be positive or zero). Teams with only Brawn components won't be possible anymore. A more exciting game play should be the result, I think.
Teams with a negative cash balance also take part in the game, but receive a 75 points penalty per race (race score - 75 points)

I intend to post an announcement about this topic this weekend in the PFF1 Forum.



I think the situation would be the same for every player and not unfair. I am afraid that some players could be annoyed by this action during the season.


I would like to hear your opinion.



Kind regards
Max

P. S.: This rule would be implemented in the PFF1 regulations and could be executed in the next season soonest after race 3 according to requirements.

I think this is an excellent judgement call by Maverick, I fully support this rule change as I hope and believe will all players, not just in SupaLiga but throughout PFF1. Your thoughts?

P.S. Maverick should really be in charge of the real thing, might actually do more good than Max and Bernie!

 

[Analoguesat]

Excellent call. 100% correct imho.

The all Brawn teams was ruining the gameplay and making a mockery of the fantasy element - we could all have put 75-100% of our team as Brawn and where would the fun be in that?.

 

[Analoguesat]

Now - whats the odds both Brawns get eliminated in accidents in race 8 once the rule kicks in

 

[rolfw]

I agree, I was surprised that values didn't increase incrementally as a matter of course as performances improved or diminished.

 

[Salty25]

I agree, I was surprised that values didn't increase incrementally as a matter of course as performances improved or diminished.

The problem was that all the Brawn GP elements were given such a low value to begin with (not without reason, given Honda last year), so that even the incremental increases were nowhere near enough to take account of Brawn blazing away everything in their path.

It's great to know that Mav isn't afraid to make changes when and if things become laughable. Of course, me and kleefarr are right up shit-creek without a paddle now

 

[Oily]

I suppose it will make it more interesting :-crying

 

[Topper]

Of course, me and kleefarr are right up shit-creek without a paddle now

Perhaps it will give the hedge betters like myself a chance to catch you up


NB I have not seen an official Email

 

[wannabee]

Hi guys..

Just as a thought.. ??

Do you think it would be a good idea for all teams to buy there chasis`s from say someone like Lola, or Raynard.. and make all the teams run the same chassis .. Surely.. this is bound to make for closer racing.. and different winners every race..

I have always been a Jenson fan.. I would put him way ahead of lewie the dewie..

but it does get boring watching jenson win every race..

What do you guys think.. ?????

 

[Topper]

Do you think it would be a good idea for all teams to buy there chasis`s from say someone like Lola, or Raynard.. and make all the teams run the same chassis

No it would not be Formula 1 then it would be formula Ford with bigger engines....bad idea

.. Surely.. this is bound to make for closer racing.. and different winners every race..

Oh come on, I think less than 1 second covering the first 15 places in Q1 is close enough don't you?

I have always been a Jenson fan.. I would put him way ahead of lewie the dewie..

but it does get boring watching jenson win every race..

What do you guys think.. ?????

Every dog has its day, it was even more boring when Schumacker won practically every race for about 5 years

 

[wannabee]

No it would not be Formula 1 then it would be formula Ford with bigger engines....bad idea


Oh come on, I think less than 1 second covering the first 15 places in Q1 is close enough don't you?



Every dog has its day, it was even more boring when Schumacker won practically every race for about 5 years

on point 1.. I see what your saying.. and that would be a very good argument..

point 2..

Quali means nothing.. The whole field is as spread out as ever it was.. there are as many cars being lapped now as ever there was.. and this whole thing to do with less than a second seperating the top 15 is a mith..

I think what we all want to see to close racing with loads of over-taking.. something there has not been in F1 for a loooooong time.. i know indy racing is not quite the same.. and people say alot more boring than F1.. but at least there are 10 over-taking manurvers in indy racing.. I watched the indy 500 on Sunday.. and it was fantastic.. and just wish that F1 was as exciting as indy racing..


Agree totally.. but the Schumacher era was more down to his shear ability and he also had the best car.. he was unbeatable.. at that time..

If Senna`s life and career had not ended the way it did.. then Schie would not have been as successful as he was..

 

[Topper]

point 2..

Quali means nothing.. The whole field is as spread out as ever it was.. there are as many cars being lapped now as ever there was.. and this whole thing to do with less than a second seperating the top 15 is a mith..

What?????? Do you actually understand Q1? 20 cars on very low fuel going flat out to get through to the next Q session how can you say that means nothing. It may mean nothing to you but to the drivers and teams who do not get through to Q2 it means money (in the long term) more than anything

I think what we all want to see to close racing with loads of over-taking.. something there has not been in F1 for a loooooong time.. i know indy racing is not quite the same.. and people say alot more boring than F1.. but at least there are 10 over-taking manurvers in indy racing.. I watched the indy 500 on Sunday.. and it was fantastic.. and just wish that F1 was as exciting as indy racing..

Well it is unfair to compare the two, the Indinapolis 500 is a completely different way of racing, not to everyones' taste but by design leads to a lot of overtaking from the draughting techniques and cambered tracks involved, most of which cannot be translated into F1 as the circuits do not allow again by design.

Agree totally.. but the Schumacher era was more down to his shear ability and he also had the best car.. he was unbeatable.. at that time..

So why after 6 races are you bored with only two teams winning?, you were never going to see high speed overtaking at Monaco, but there were Americans being interviewed last weekend who said they would give their eye teeth to race there

If Senna`s life and career had not ended the way it did.. then Schie would not have been as successful as he was..

Oh come on it has been a long time since the days of Senna against Prost and it is futile to be so speculative about something that could never ever be confirmed.

 

[wannabee]

ok.. you mention Quali 1 and quali 2..

i am sorry..but i disagree.. Quali dont win races.. or get you points.. It maybe interesting at best when the likes of one of the top six drivers have a problem and dont make it to Quali 2.. Thats the best part of the race at the moment.. watch that driver carve his way through traffic..

Until the FIA can come up with something to make for closer racing and more over-taking.. its always going to be a procession of the top 3 teams.. and although they may change every now and again.. its still the same thing.. same winning drivers.. would it not be great to see 10 drivers winning the 18 races each and every season.. ???

one thing i forgot to mention.. in 19 years.. i have mist one race live on TV.. I love F1 racing.. Car racing is my passion.. I met Colin McRae a few times.. and Kris Meeke is a cousin of mine who is leading the IRC rally championship at the moment..

 

[Topper]

ok.. you mention Quali 1 and quali 2..

i am sorry..but i disagree.. Quali dont win races.. or get you points..

Correct but it puts you in the best position to challenge to win points

It maybe interesting at best when the likes of one of the top six drivers have a problem and dont make it to Quali 2.. Thats the best part of the race at the moment.. watch that driver carve his way through traffic..

Indeed that can be a spectacle but does not apply at certain tracks in F1, Monaco being the prime example.

Until the FIA can come up with something to make for closer racing and more over-taking..

That is what the FIA tried this year by altering the aerodynamics to allow for closer slipstreaming, slick tyres, with the addition of KERS in theory it should have given teams the opportunity to slipstream and pass, the reality is that it was an expensive and heavy piece of equipment, the benefits of which are yet to be seen.

its always going to be a procession of the top 3 teams.. and although they may change every now and again.. its still the same thing.. same winning drivers.. would it not be great to see 10 drivers winning the 18 races each and every season.. ???

I cannot understand what you are getting at, there will always be top teams whether that is by the amount of money they have available to pump into F1 development, or the ability to employ the best designers to come and work for them or indeed have sufficient funds to persuade the best drivers to come and drive for them. The type of scenario you envisage is is exactly as per your first statement, the same chassis, the same engines etc but I am sorry that is not never has been and never will be Formula 1

one thing i forgot to mention.. in 19 years.. i have mist one race live on TV.. I love F1 racing.. Car racing is my passion.. I met Colin McRae a few times.. and Kris Meeke is a cousin of mine who is leading the IRC rally championship at the moment..

Well I regret to say I have almost double that under my belt but even so I fail to be impressed by name dropping to add weight to a rather wooly opinion

 

[Salty25]

I think KERS needs time, and for that matter so do the current regulations as a whole. Ferrari are nearly there with a competitive package now, and Red Bull will hopefully be able to master the diffuser situation. Ironically, if McLaren had the car then their KERS system would give them the edge in most circuits in terms of overtaking (KERS had virtually no effect in Monaco).

 

[wannabee]

Agree totally..

I also think the Kers system will be a very good thing.. it should make for alot more overtaking.. and hopefully a few more dare-devil moves..

One race that should be fantastic.. with the Kers system.. sould be Monza.. long flat out straights.. and the drivers will be wishing for another 7 seconds of boost in a lap.. lol

Just heard also that all the teams had signed in time for the 2010 season.. or be it pending the outcome of the budget fiascio.. along with the new team from Pro-drive..

Hopefully they will also bring something to the sport.. i hope that they are pushing for wins right from the off.. It will also be interesting to see who they will have as a driver line up ..

 

[Topper]

Yes I also agree that new teams coming into F1 can only be good for the perpetuation of the sport, it does need de-politicising and the controlling powers within the sport need to make public their hidden agendas rather than exposing their sordid private livesHumping;)